Sunday, July 20, 2008
Tough on Dog Crimes
I can't help but agree with the poster who posted the comment I pasted below. Sandy D, I hope you don't mind that I borrowed this from you but I think it needs to be addressed. However, let me say, just about any breed can be "vicious" and the rep pit bulls have is vicious but there are, I assure you many breeds that are a danger to the public, even the little ankle biters.
I am an animal lover but there is a responsibility that comes with owning them, regardless of the breed and having them on a leash or behind a fence is part of the responsibility. It's for their protection and the protection of the general public.
I understand there are those who have dogs that are well trained and they don't feel the need to leash them, but it is the law and there's a reason for the law. I like to walk my dog but when I do, I'm sometimes accosted by someone's unleashed dog; is it me the dog is after? No, it's my dog or visa versa. That's why it is really important to leash them or keep them fenced. The dog park is the place to go to unleash your dog.
So in support of a tougher ordinance or at minimum, strong enforcement of dog leashing, below is a comment that I found to be an important subject.
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I am sick and tired of residents allowing their Pit Bulls running wild in town with no owner around. A dog just scared the s==t out of my husband and I.
Village people, here is an ordinance with a little "teeth" in it. No need to have the lawyers write a new one.. just fill in the blanks.
ORDINANCE
AN ORDINANCE GOVERNING THE OWNERSHIP OF VICIOUS DOGS WITHIN THE VILLAGE LIMITS OF ……
WHEREAS, vicious and dangerous dogs represent a potential danger to citizens and other animals; and
WHEREAS, regulations and control of vicious and dangerous dogs is needed to protect citizens and other small animals;
NOW THEREFORE, it is ordained by the Village board of ……, Illinois that the following regulations are enacted to provide for the safety and health of …… citizens.
Each owner, keeper, harborer or possessor of such dogs within the corporate village limits shall have thirty (30) days after passage of this ordinance to register such dog with the village and comply with the conditions listed below.
SECTION 1
Definitions
(1) “Owner” means any person, firm, corporation, organization or department possessing or harboring or having the care of custody of a dog.
(2) “Vicious dog” means (a) Any dog with a known propensity, tendency, or disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury to, or otherwise threaten the safety of human beings or domestic animals; or (b) Any dog which because of its size, physical nature, or vicious propensity is capable of inflicting serious physical harm or death to humans and which would constitute a danger to human life or property if it were not kept in the manner required by this ordinance; or (c) Any dog which, without provocation, attacks or bites, or has attacked or bitten, a human being or domestic animal; or (d) any dog owned or harbored primarily or in part of the purpose of fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or (e) Any pit bull terrier, which shall be defined as any American Pit Bull Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier or American Staffordshire Terrier as to be identifiable as partially of the breed of American Pit Bull Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier or American Staffordshire Terrier.
(3) A vicious dog is “unconfined” if the dog it not securely confined indoors or confined in a securely enclosed and locked pen or structure upon the premises of the owner of the dog. The pen or structure must have secured sided and a secure top attached to the sides which shall be made of 11 gauge wire, or stronger and inspected and approved by the animal control officer or the codes inspector. If the pen or structure has no bottom secured to the sides, the sides must be embedded into the ground no less that one-foot. All such pens or structures must be adequately lighted and kept in a clean and sanitary condition.
SECTION 2
Confinement
(1) The owner of a vicious dog shall not permit the dog to go unconfined.
SECTION 3
Leash and Muzzle
(1) The owner of the vicious dog shall not permit the dog to go beyond the premises of the owner unless the dog is securely muzzled and restrained by a chain or leash, and under the physical restraint of a person. The muzzle shall be made in a manner that will not cause injury to the dog or interfere with its vision or respiration, but shall prevent it from biting any human or animal.
SECTION 4
Signs
(1) The owner or other persons in control of the premises upon which a vicious dog is maintained shall post warning signs stating that such a dog is on the premises. At least one such sign shall be posted at each driveway or entranceway to said premises. Such signs shall be in lettering clearly visible from either the curb line or a distance of fifty (5) feet, whichever is lesser, and shall contain a telephone number where some person responsible for controlling such guard dog can be reached twenty-four (24) hours a day. A similar sign is required to be posted on the pen or kennel of the animal.
SECTION 5
Insurance
(1) Owners of vicious dogs must provide proof to the village of liability insurance in the amount of at least $100,000.00, insuring the owner of any personal inflicted by his or her vicious dog.
SECTION 6
Animal Control Officer
(1) The code officer of the Village of …… shall have the authority to enforce this ordinance without a warrant if he observed a violation occurring in his presence. He shall also have the authority to impound animals as authorized in the municipal code.
SECTION 7
Impoundment and Destruction
(1) The County (s) judge may order the impoundment and destruction of a dog where: (a) The dog has attacked, bitten or injured a human being or domestic animal, or; (b) The dog is a vicious dog as defined herein and the owner has failed to comply with the requirements and conditions for keeping a vicious dog as defined herein, or; (c) All fines or costs imposed under this ordinance have become final orders, and remain unpaid or; (d) The dog poses a threat of serious harm to the public health and safety.
SECTION 8
Notice of Impoundment
(1) Within five (5) days after impoundment, the animal control officer shall notify the dog’s owner in writing of the impoundment.
SECTION 9
Hearing on Impoundment/Destruction
(1) The owner of an impounded dog shall have the right to file, with five (5) days after receiving notice, a written request for a hearing to contest the impoundment.
(2) The hearing shall be before the County (s) judge, but shall be informal and strict rules of evidence shall not apply. The owner may be represented by counsel, present oral and written evidence and cross-examine witnesses.
(3) After considering all of the relevant evidence, the County (s) judge shall issue a decision and may order the destruction of the impounded dog, or may release the dog to its owner conditioned on the owner complying with the requirements set forth in this ordinance or with any other requirements necessary to protect the public health or safety.
(4) If the owner of an impounded dog fails to appear at a hearing, or fails to request a hearing within the allotted time, the dog may be destroyed.
SECTION 10
Penalties
(1) whoever violated any provision of this section shall be guilty of violating a village ordinance and may be punished by a fine not to exceed fifty dollars ($50.00) per day for each violation in addition to other penalties that may be imposed by the County (s) judge.
BE IT FURTHER ENACTED that this ordinance shall take effect from and after its passage on the second and final reading, the welfare of the city requiring it.
I am an animal lover but there is a responsibility that comes with owning them, regardless of the breed and having them on a leash or behind a fence is part of the responsibility. It's for their protection and the protection of the general public.
I understand there are those who have dogs that are well trained and they don't feel the need to leash them, but it is the law and there's a reason for the law. I like to walk my dog but when I do, I'm sometimes accosted by someone's unleashed dog; is it me the dog is after? No, it's my dog or visa versa. That's why it is really important to leash them or keep them fenced. The dog park is the place to go to unleash your dog.
So in support of a tougher ordinance or at minimum, strong enforcement of dog leashing, below is a comment that I found to be an important subject.
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I am sick and tired of residents allowing their Pit Bulls running wild in town with no owner around. A dog just scared the s==t out of my husband and I.
Village people, here is an ordinance with a little "teeth" in it. No need to have the lawyers write a new one.. just fill in the blanks.
ORDINANCE
AN ORDINANCE GOVERNING THE OWNERSHIP OF VICIOUS DOGS WITHIN THE VILLAGE LIMITS OF ……
WHEREAS, vicious and dangerous dogs represent a potential danger to citizens and other animals; and
WHEREAS, regulations and control of vicious and dangerous dogs is needed to protect citizens and other small animals;
NOW THEREFORE, it is ordained by the Village board of ……, Illinois that the following regulations are enacted to provide for the safety and health of …… citizens.
Each owner, keeper, harborer or possessor of such dogs within the corporate village limits shall have thirty (30) days after passage of this ordinance to register such dog with the village and comply with the conditions listed below.
SECTION 1
Definitions
(1) “Owner” means any person, firm, corporation, organization or department possessing or harboring or having the care of custody of a dog.
(2) “Vicious dog” means (a) Any dog with a known propensity, tendency, or disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury to, or otherwise threaten the safety of human beings or domestic animals; or (b) Any dog which because of its size, physical nature, or vicious propensity is capable of inflicting serious physical harm or death to humans and which would constitute a danger to human life or property if it were not kept in the manner required by this ordinance; or (c) Any dog which, without provocation, attacks or bites, or has attacked or bitten, a human being or domestic animal; or (d) any dog owned or harbored primarily or in part of the purpose of fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or (e) Any pit bull terrier, which shall be defined as any American Pit Bull Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier or American Staffordshire Terrier as to be identifiable as partially of the breed of American Pit Bull Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier or American Staffordshire Terrier.
(3) A vicious dog is “unconfined” if the dog it not securely confined indoors or confined in a securely enclosed and locked pen or structure upon the premises of the owner of the dog. The pen or structure must have secured sided and a secure top attached to the sides which shall be made of 11 gauge wire, or stronger and inspected and approved by the animal control officer or the codes inspector. If the pen or structure has no bottom secured to the sides, the sides must be embedded into the ground no less that one-foot. All such pens or structures must be adequately lighted and kept in a clean and sanitary condition.
SECTION 2
Confinement
(1) The owner of a vicious dog shall not permit the dog to go unconfined.
SECTION 3
Leash and Muzzle
(1) The owner of the vicious dog shall not permit the dog to go beyond the premises of the owner unless the dog is securely muzzled and restrained by a chain or leash, and under the physical restraint of a person. The muzzle shall be made in a manner that will not cause injury to the dog or interfere with its vision or respiration, but shall prevent it from biting any human or animal.
SECTION 4
Signs
(1) The owner or other persons in control of the premises upon which a vicious dog is maintained shall post warning signs stating that such a dog is on the premises. At least one such sign shall be posted at each driveway or entranceway to said premises. Such signs shall be in lettering clearly visible from either the curb line or a distance of fifty (5) feet, whichever is lesser, and shall contain a telephone number where some person responsible for controlling such guard dog can be reached twenty-four (24) hours a day. A similar sign is required to be posted on the pen or kennel of the animal.
SECTION 5
Insurance
(1) Owners of vicious dogs must provide proof to the village of liability insurance in the amount of at least $100,000.00, insuring the owner of any personal inflicted by his or her vicious dog.
SECTION 6
Animal Control Officer
(1) The code officer of the Village of …… shall have the authority to enforce this ordinance without a warrant if he observed a violation occurring in his presence. He shall also have the authority to impound animals as authorized in the municipal code.
SECTION 7
Impoundment and Destruction
(1) The County (s) judge may order the impoundment and destruction of a dog where: (a) The dog has attacked, bitten or injured a human being or domestic animal, or; (b) The dog is a vicious dog as defined herein and the owner has failed to comply with the requirements and conditions for keeping a vicious dog as defined herein, or; (c) All fines or costs imposed under this ordinance have become final orders, and remain unpaid or; (d) The dog poses a threat of serious harm to the public health and safety.
SECTION 8
Notice of Impoundment
(1) Within five (5) days after impoundment, the animal control officer shall notify the dog’s owner in writing of the impoundment.
SECTION 9
Hearing on Impoundment/Destruction
(1) The owner of an impounded dog shall have the right to file, with five (5) days after receiving notice, a written request for a hearing to contest the impoundment.
(2) The hearing shall be before the County (s) judge, but shall be informal and strict rules of evidence shall not apply. The owner may be represented by counsel, present oral and written evidence and cross-examine witnesses.
(3) After considering all of the relevant evidence, the County (s) judge shall issue a decision and may order the destruction of the impounded dog, or may release the dog to its owner conditioned on the owner complying with the requirements set forth in this ordinance or with any other requirements necessary to protect the public health or safety.
(4) If the owner of an impounded dog fails to appear at a hearing, or fails to request a hearing within the allotted time, the dog may be destroyed.
SECTION 10
Penalties
(1) whoever violated any provision of this section shall be guilty of violating a village ordinance and may be punished by a fine not to exceed fifty dollars ($50.00) per day for each violation in addition to other penalties that may be imposed by the County (s) judge.
BE IT FURTHER ENACTED that this ordinance shall take effect from and after its passage on the second and final reading, the welfare of the city requiring it.
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35 comments:
Some dog breeds are just not smart to own, and have a tendency of snapping for absolutely no reason, and then there are owners who seem to have no common sense or ability to control their own children, let alone a animal with teeth. The bigger the dog, the bigger the teeth.
Most of the dog problems are related to irresponsible owners , and it is also irresponsible to keep bad breeds of dogs as well.
Yes I know. As a man , you want a MANLY dog! A pit bull or a doberman that I can name Knife. Get over it!
Your dog bites me, you will end up in court, and I'm going for damages and pain and suffering, and anything else I gan get from your irresponsible assets .
After all, with my gimp leg, I don't need the other one chewed by some ankle biter (Lori/Johnny)
Smoker/ and dog lover
Sorry to hear about that leg Smoker, but you really do need to check the batteries in your smoke detectors!! Oh and more important - no smoking in bed !! I'll keep my ankle biter away from your good leg Smoker !!
I am a die hard dog lover and couldn't agree with you more Smoker.
I found an article on Pits that is real interesting, thing that is disturbing about it is that it was written 11 years ago and I'm sure the Pit Bull population has increased since this article and therefore the problems are much worse today.
http://www.dogexpert.com/Popular%20Press/Stories/Pitbullfriend.html
This always seems to be a heated argument ( can't wait for my fellow countyman to weigh in on this scrap ! ), but take all of your arguments that Pits are gentle pets to the family here in Island Lake whose daughter was bit in the face by the neighbors Pit last summer - unprovoked mind you. Those neighbors did the right thing and had the dog destroyed.
Dogs are supposed to be mans best friend, below is a link to one of my favorite dog stories:
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/GreyfriarsBob.htm
Whoops !! The article is 21 years old - even scarier !! It is a long article about Pits, below is an excerpt:
DOG BITES MAN isn't news, they say, but PIT BULL BITES MAN is. Unfortunately the pit bull, when it attacks, doesn't merely bite man -- or, most horribly, child -- it clamps its powerful jaws down and literally tears its victim apart. ''The injuries these dogs inflict are more serious than other breeds because they go for the deep musculature and don't release; they hold and shake,'' says Sheryl Blair of the Tufts Veterinary School, in North Grafton, Mass., which last year held a symposium entitled Animal Agression: Dog Bites and the Pit Bull Terrier. ''Most breeds do not multiple-bite,'' says Kurt Lapham, a field investigator for the West Coast Regional office of the Humane Society. ''A pit bull attack is like a shark attack: He keeps coming back.'' ''A pit bull,'' says Judge Victor E. Bianchini of San Diego, '' is the closest thing to a wild animal there is in a domesticated dog."
The village can do a lot more than what an unincorporated area can.
There were two very aggressive dobermans in Portens (a while ago) that used to jump the fence DAILY and go after whoever was walking by. I saw these dogs jump INTO a fenced in yard and go after a woman that was outside raking with her young daughter. McHenry County Animal Control would come, take the dogs, and the owner would have them back the next day. Many people had complaints in about these dogs.
Nothing was ever done until this clown moved to Lily Lake Road and the dogs went into Moraine Hills State Park and went after a park worker.
Hah! Lass,
Leg is fine, I'm just goofing on Lori/Johnny!
Petie , in" Our Gang" was a pit bull.
The problem I see with todays dogs is the same I see with race horses. They are bred for 1 purpose only. So now on the horsie front you have front ankles snapping and if you have been around race horses they are psychotic. If they were released back into the wild, there is no way they could survive, even if put in the wild when a young colt. The horse is bred (and ruined)wrongly , in my opinion.
Dogs, which were originally derived from wolves and other forms, are also bred heavily for a variety of reasons. Hunting, fighting,running, protection, military/cop, The ones used for aggressive purposes, really have no place in a household situation. Then comes the poor breeding practices, similar to horses where they get psychotic and the inbred ones as well have health issues.
Then there is that homely rat dog that Laurie felt sorry for that was bred for food in a chinese restaurant, and it looks like they started with the leg as the first meal.
I love dogs, (don't think much of cats) but there needs to be responsibility in which breed you purchase, and a pit bull (as well as a few others) is not responsible. I've played with Pit bulls, and yes they can appear nice and friendly, but they have a tendency to mentally snap , and you don't know if or when it might happen. I understand legislators and towns that want to ban this and other breeds.
Want a chance of a lawsuit? Take a chance with a bad breed, and raise it wrong while your at it.
Smoker
Saw an article once that read 'Man Bites Dog!"
Smoker
Two Scottish nuns have just arrived in USA by boat and one says to the other, "I hear that the people of this country actually eat dogs." "Odd," her companion replies, "but if we shall live in America , we might as well do as the Americans do."
Nodding emphatically, the mother superior points to a hot dog vendor and they both walk towards the cart. "Two dogs, please," says one.
The vendor is too pleased to oblige, wraps both hot dogs in foil, and hands them over the counter. Excited, the nuns hurry to a bench and begin to un-wrap their 'dogs'. The mother superior begins to blush and, then, staring at it for a moment, leans to the other nun and whispers cautiously, "What part... did you get...?"
I agree Smoker - well except for wanting Laurie's ugly, one legged Chinese Crested to be used as meat in a Chinese restaurant.
I had German Shepherds when I was single and love the breed. My last Shepherd was the most loving and devoted dog, but she was dog aggressive and was not good with children. She scared me to death because I was afraid she was going to harm another dog or worse yet a child. I put up a 6 foot privacy fence and when I walked her, she was muzzled. Thankfully when I got pregnant with my first child, she was so arthritic that her legs would collapse and it was time to put her down, otherwise I would have had to put her down simply because she could not be trusted with my baby.
I was asked by a friend a few years ago to take a Shepherd from German Shepherd Rescue and I declined despite the fact that I love the breed, I could not responsibly bring a Shepherd into my home with my children.
I am by no means saying that Pits are the only "Red Zone" breed, but man has done that breed an injustice for centurys and it is in their nature to fight and attack just like it's in my Golden Retrievers nature to be a water dog - it's bred into them.
Hogwash!
replace pit bull with Negro and you will fit right in with discrimination from years past!
It amazes me how people have no problem generalizing a whole race of any animal based on a few examples. Yes, there are pit bulls and dobermans, as well as other breeds, that are raised for the sole purpose of fighting. That does not make the breed "bad", that makes the @ssholes that raise them and breed them to fight bad.
I have owned many Doberman and German Shepards . Never has any of them ever bit anybody. They would more likely lick you to death!
ANY breed of dog ever in contact with man has at one point bit someone! I know of one Island Lake family who owned a black lab as a family pet that bit their own 5 year old daughter in the face when she touched it wrong. Should there then be a ban on black labs as pets? Dalmatians bite more people per dog than any other breed, but they are cute looking so you never hear people say bad things about them.
Funny how people that would go off the deep end if I were to say "All Mexicans carry knives and should be deported." or "All black people are lazy drug addicts stuck on welfare." and would start screaming that I am racists for generalizing a whole "breed" of people based on perceptions/myths of a few. Isn't that what you are doing with the "all _____ are bad and should not be owned as pets!"
Case in point_ Wee Irish Lass-
"Go get em !! I got a better idea though - KILL OFF THE BREED.
Sorry folks, Pit Bulls are white trash ( or black trash or latino trash ) status symbols.
I am an avid dog lover but really think that breed needs to be destroyed. They are inbred fighters - just like my Golden Retriever is an inbred water dog. It is not how they are raised -"
Talk about discrimination! What? No golden retriever ever bite anybody? Never?
Sure, if someone has a dog that is vicious, that attacks for no reason and is a truly "aggressive animal" then THAT DOG needs to be dealt with. For someone to say the whole breed should be killed because of it is ludicrous.
"Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows."
I do not hear anybody saying that all German Shepherds should be killed.
"Dalmatians are NOT good with kids!
They are territorial. They are grumpy. And they bite. Will your kid be the next victim of the killer Dalmatian? I quote now from the Dec 2 edition of U.S. News and World Report. On page 78, there is a quote from Benjamin Hart, an animal behavior specialist at the University of California at Davis. He says, "If someone said I could only have a Dalmatian or a Doberman around my grandchildren, I would get the Doberman."
Kill all the Dalmatians!!
Irish Lass,
I had an Irish Setter.(seriously) It loved beer,and was always a happy and playful animal, even into old age, but like all Irish, it was stubborn and didn't like to listen. We kept close reins on her, and I was able to walk her without a leash, and she was not allowed to be more than 3 feet from my right side. I am a leash advocate, however, because it takes a strong will and time to train a dog to do that. Most dogs won't conform. She was never aggressive unless there was a reason for protection, and it paid off one night during a break in. It tore the perpetrator up a few times before he screamingly scrambled out the door. I just put my pistol back on the night stand and laughed.
I never trained her for protection. It was just instinct, and as you know, a good dog has a second sense to danger. That is not aggression, however that is protection with instinct, and God forbid I commanded the dog to attack. The other point though, is It would never attack anyone it knew , even on command. Good instinct.
The purpose for me bringing all of this up, is to say there are good breeds to pick from , even for the irresponsible owner. Why waste time , and chance children getting hurt,or litigation because of bad choices on bad breeds.
Dan O
No discrimination here - it's a fact that there are Red Zone dogs that are bred fighters and aggressive by nature - have you ever seen a Labrador as a police dog? No because they are not bred to be aggressive, can they be aggressive of course any dog can. I'm sure there are documented cases of any breed biting or attacking.
The fact of the matter is that the Red Zone dogs were/are bred to be fighters and or aggressive.
Did you take the time to read the article that I posted the link for? Did you take the time to read the post I did about my love for Gemrman Shepherds? My own Golden Retriever went after a man - but with good reason. He did not bite but the situation was wrong and my dog knew it and he was protecting - that is instinct, thats what you want out of your family pet. What you don't want out of your family pet is it attacking for no reason or the chance that Fido may get ahold of the toddler next door and maul the child to death - that is not responsible.
I would never say that all Pits, Rots, Shepherds are bad dogs. But I would NEVER trust a Pit because of what has been bred into that breed.
I'm sure there are plenty of people that feel that it is safe to swim with sharks because they don't attack unprovoked - that's fine but I wouldn't let my kids get in the water with sharks.
Again I am an avid dog lover but will never be swayed in my opinion on Red Zone dogs.
Funny how people that would go off the deep end if I were to say "All Mexicans carry knives and should be deported." or "All black people are lazy drug addicts stuck on welfare." and would start screaming that I am racists for generalizing a whole "breed" of people based on perceptions/myths of a few.
The problem that I have with you using that as a comparison is that Pit Bulls are ANIMALS. Dogs are ANIMALS. No matter how much you love them they are ANIMALS.
Glad you jumped into this one Dan!! Here's a good scrap for us both !!
People choose to bring dangerous breeds into their homes. That is a choice that is not responsible in my opinion.
Dan we had an Irish Setter for a short time, the damn thing was nuts!!
Yup Lass.
Irish Setters are nuts, and dumb. The secret with that breed is they play dumb, to try and get away with things. That can be overcome.
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Also Dogs are not people. First off most dogs intellect never exceeds that of a 3 year old human (and there are no exceptions folks) Pigs are actually smarter.
If you keep that in mind and look at the diversity of dog breeds, dogs are VASTLY different in size and shape.
For generations dogs were used and abused to perform certain tasks. Due to their size variations and attributes they are able to do so. Humans come in basically the same sizes by comparison. There is no comparison. NONE!
I know how people like to think as if their dog is a family member. That is silly.
Also , I guess if they are considered near human, that would make us slave owners to our dogs. eh?
You can over many generations breed some of the traits out of a specified breed, but you are not going to go to your local pet store and by a genetically altered breed, They are what they are, and some in a specific breed are better than others.
Don't be fooled. The specialists will verify, there are certain breeds to avoid for families .
Also, I wouldn't buy a Pit Bull for Rabbit or bird hunting. That would be stupid, Huh?
Common sense, is key here, not misguided love for a dangerous breed.
Dan O
Other than the "racist" angle, one can also see parallels with gun control.
Gun control advocates want to rid an area of all guns, without recognizing the human element involved. Similarly, lawmakers' fetish with "assualt weapons". First, all weapons are assualt weapons, and they all fire bullets, eh? The same could be said for dogs.
I will agree that it mostly comes down to the owners, plain and simple. And yes, for many, a "big bad dog" is used as a subtitue shlong.
I am dogs' best friend, yet that has not prevented me from being attacked 3 times in the past by German Shepherds, one of whom was a retired Chicago police dog. One attack took enough meat off my forearm that you could see the bone beneath.
For whatever reason, I know I need to be circumspect around Shepherds. Otherwise all others get attention from me, including Rotts and Dobies, although most of them I've come in contact with have been well-trained and happy pooches.
I have also petted strange Pits out in public, responding to their obvious friendly curiousity as I've walked past. A coworker had a wonderful Pit named Butler, who was quite the gentleman, loved children, and would behave himself when she'd bring him in to work with her on a semi-regular basis.
That said, however, I am leery of Pits overall. Why? In my encounters with Shepherds or other aggressive dogs, I've always been able to overpower, subdue and beat the hell out of them "in battle".
With Pits, I'm not so sure. The incident close by here in Cary only a year or two ago is instructive. Recall that the kids that were savaged were known to these dogs - hell, they even attacked their owner savagely as he tried to protect one of the children by lying on top of them.
It seems to me that once the "switch is flipped" inside their heads, they won't willingly stop mauling until their adversary is dead - regardless of background or training.
While I feel fairly confident in being able to protect myself from many breeds, I'm not very confident about the outcome should I come up against a Pit.
So many of their owners, including the owners of other dogs, do not take adequate care to restrain their pets.
And I agree with the above, the same lax attitudes apply to their children as well.
DBTR
The dog thing with babies is two-fold.
One needs to seriously consider what it is that is most important - either it is your baby, or your dog.
You can't expect threats and reason to work all the time with your child, so why would you expect that from a dog? Dogs and children should always be closely monitored at all times.
Often times, if the dog is not a threat to your child, the child's presence can create a threat to others by your dog.
Friends have a Lab mix who is a sweetheart and loves their baby unconditionally. However, more than one person has been attacked by this otherwise jolly guy when they've approached the baby in any way.
DBTR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o
No discrimination Irish lass? Yet you say that all pits should be killed outright? The fact that they are not human, in your mind, makes it ok to say that, huh? "They are stupid animals that might hurt someone! Kill them all!" Well, I have news for you! Want to know what animal is responsible for more attacks on humans than all other animals combined?
OTHER HUMANS!
More people are bit by german shepherds every year than pits, but I did not see you saying all sheps should be killed. Why is that?
You can find articles that will say anything and have "facts" to back them up. Just look at some "articles" posted here as "facts"! In reality, it all boils down to training and proper socialization of the animals. Is it the dog's fault that it attacks people if that is what it was trained to do? No.
"You can judge a society by the way it treats its animals." - Gandhi
You can find articles that will say anything and have "facts" to back them up. Just look at some "articles" posted here as "facts"!
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I'm still waiting for you to address specifically which article is written as fact but is not. I can point on many instances by trustees or a certain Mayor that are presented as fact but are not, and, well, I've done that. Please provide a specific non-fact that I did use as "fact", otherwise, you're just blowing off hot air.
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2nd, you contradicted yourself in saying More people are bit by german shepherds every year than pits, but I did not see you saying all sheps should be killed. Why is that? You can find articles that will say anything and have "facts" to back them up.
Do those stats include the K9 German Sheps that bite criminals while protecting a police officer? I know where you're going with your statement. I knew this would bring much controversy and argument. What I'd like to know is, are those German Shep bites ending in mutilation and death like pit bites do? You have to compare the whole scenario. Also, what is the population ratio of pits to German Sheps? For it to be a fair and true study those factors must be considered.
The decision to own one of these dogs is not always made intelligently. A freind of mine's daughter, with a 5 year old and a newborn chose to have a dog; what did they choose? A pit bull. My heart sank as did my friends. Her concern for her grandchildren was valid. As time went on, I learned the dog was chained in the backyard a lot and not exercised or socialized. Major mistake! If you want to own this breed, and have children, you must be responsible by at least socializing the dog and giving it the proper attention. So the mere act of owning a pit bull isn't always the issue; it's the OWNER and lack of sociailization.
And, that can happen with any breed, as I said, all breeds, even ankle biters can pose a threat to the general public.
The fact that they are not human, in your mind, makes it ok to say that, huh? "They are stupid animals that might hurt someone! Kill them all!" Well, I have news for you! Want to know what animal is responsible for more attacks on humans than all other animals combined?
OTHER HUMANS!
THEY ARE NOT HUMAN !! They are a companion to man - they are not human !! They are God's creatures to be sure and therefore are living breathing creatures that we are to love and care for - BUT THEY ARE NOT HUMAN. They are animals. And by that token if I had a dog that was a danger, if my beloved Golden Retriever became aggressive or attacked non provoked it would be my responsibility to put him down because he is a threat to society.
I love my dogs, they are family to me but the fact remains that they are animals.
Would I like to see the Pit Bull breed destroyed - abso friggin lutely! The article that I posted a link to states that Pits don't bite, they attack - keep attacking at times until the person is dead. That is an ANIMAL killing humans. That is flat out irresponsible.
Okay so 1 out of 100 Pit Bulls will never attack let's say - is that a comfort to the family that their child was mauled to death by a Pit - nope.
DBTR has been attacked 3 times by German Shepherds - he and I have been friends for a very long time and was at my home 100's of times when I had my Shepherd, he loved my dog but I can assure you he was not as comfortable in my home as he is now with my Golden Retriever. There is a difference.
And yes more humans are killed by humans, humans are thinking beings and make the choice to do evil things - an unprovoked Pit Bull attack is pure instinct and breeding and just as mindless as a shark attack.
Anyone who knows me can attest to my love and devotion to dogs - you'll never sway me on this one - sorry.
And Dan what the hell do you mean that an Irish Setter is stubborn like an Irishman - I don't have a stubborn bone in my body !!! Right DBTR??
Do those stats include the K9 German Sheps that bite criminals while protecting a police officer?
Amen sister!
Dog's have been bred to do certian things. My neighbors Australian Shepherd herds everything, it's instinct for her.
Also the comment that I think that dogs are "stupid animals" is dead wrong. I have and have had many intelligent dogs, in fact I have had dogs with more intelligence than some people. Besides being intelligent a dog is faithful and loyal - seems to me there are many humans that could learn a thing or two from a dog.
I repeat. and it is a fact .
Dogs have at maturity the same intelligence as a 3 year old child. That is all that they are capable of. I heard horses brought up and they are pretty dumb as well. Horses the same, and pigs are smarter by about a year or year and a half. Animals are stupid from an intelligence point of view. It is a fact.
Little Bowser has the ability to not crap on your carpet, and cant learn languages except reaction to repetitive commands.
Thats it folks. Realize that and remember Bowser is an idiot, not a family member. If he was a family member he would be retarded, and couldn't even take the small bus to school.
It is just a dumb animal folks. Get used to it.
Don't go to Long Grove and attire your dog with fancy clothes from the dog store, unless it is for your benefit, because the dog doesn't get it.
It's for your gratification, not the dogs.
Don't claim your dog can say Ma Ma! and be proud that it understands. It is just looking for gratification from it's master , or a chew bone.
Don't make too much of it. The Chinese don't and realize they are quite edible.
A pig is smarter and we eat them, on a revolving spit with an apple in their mouth
Ya get it?
I love dogs as well, but they are what they are.
Dan O
OMG Dan - that's the funniest thing I've read in a lomg time!!
I can't wait to see the responses to this!!
You're going to make people pop an artery over this one!!
More likely a neck vein , like a pentecostal preacher in hell and damnation mode.
Hmmm, I missed my calling. I need an orange arm band.
Dan O
For you Dan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYaw5tGYAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERSFuSm4rY
Interesting link about Pit Bull attacks:
http://pitbullattack.wordpress.com/
Even more interesting is the comments people made on the posts, extremely uneducated and ignorant.
It is my humble opinion that the only dog that can not be properly trained and should be banned from Island Lake village limits is the variety known as the "Hide Weasel Dog".
"I repeat. and it is a fact .
Dogs have at maturity the same intelligence as a 3 year old child".
Oh Yeah?
• You run away in the middle of a perfectly good leg humping.
• You blame your farts on me...not funny.
• You yell at me for barking...I’M A FRIGGIN’ DOG YOU IDIOT!
• You naively believed that the stupid cat isn’t all over everything while you’re gone. (You noticed that your toothbrush tastes a little like cat butt? You're learnin'.)
• You take me for a walk, then you don't let me check stuff out.
Exactly whose walk is this anyway?
• You try to have me do any trick that involves balancing food on my nose...stop it.
• You yell at me for rubbing my ass on your carpet...Why’d you buy carpet?
• You get upset when I sniff the crotches of your guests. Sorry, but I haven’t quite mastered that handshake thing yet...idiot.
• You act disgusted when I lick myself. Look, we both know the truth, you’re just jealous.
• Dog sweaters? Have you noticed the fur? Imbecile.
• You give us a haircut that involves bows or ribbons. (Now you know why we chew your shit up when you’re not home.)
• When you pick up the crap piles in the yard. Do you realize how far behind schedule that puts me?
• You took me to the vet for “the big snip”, then acting surprised when I freak out every time we go back.
• The sleight of hand, fake fetch throw. You fooled a dog! What a proud moment for the top of the food chain, you nitwit!
Ya get it?
I am a dog.
Bow-wow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yeah
Bow-wow-yippie-yo-yippie-yeah
Nothin' but the dog in me
The next administration will pass a text amendment that says no weasels allowed in Island Lake.
YEA!
Ya know that St. Patrick led all of the snakes out of Ireland, maybe we can hire St. Cletus to lead all of the weasels out of Island Lake.
Ask Garling specifically what were his accomplishments on the DeKalb County Board while he was there for two years. That's what his bio says, plenty of political experience. OOps I forgot it was the Dekalb county transportation committee although you might think he was a County board member. And specifically what are your accomplishments in Island lake Rich. You make an ass out of yourself sitting up there. You forgot to list that you are on the Hyde ass kissers committee.
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